Legislature(2023 - 2024)DAVIS 106

03/29/2023 06:00 PM House WAYS & MEANS

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- Long Term Fiscal Plan
*+ HB 142 STATE SALES AND USE TAX TELECONFERENCED
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                 HB 142-STATE SALES AND USE TAX                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:01:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR MCCABE  announced that  the final  order of  business                                                               
would be  HOUSE BILL NO. 142,  "An Act relating to  a state sales                                                               
and use tax; authorizing the  Department of Revenue to enter into                                                               
the Streamlined  Sales and Use  Tax Agreement; and  providing for                                                               
an effective date."                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:01:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CARPENTER, as prime sponsor, read the sponsor statement                                                                   
for HB 142 [included in the committee packet], which read as                                                                    
follows [original punctuation provided]:                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     State  leaders should  naturally be  motivated to  grow                                                                    
     Alaska's  private economy.  The  prospect  of jobs  and                                                                    
     opportunity  would  allow  our   children  to  stay  in                                                                    
     Alaska,  would  attract  development that  would  bring                                                                    
     infrastructure  investment,  and  would  make  retiring                                                                    
     here comfortable  for all employeesnot  just  those who                                                                    
     had government jobs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Inertia in the state  Capitol, however, keeps the state                                                                    
     legislature  focusing  on   government  growth  without                                                                    
     corresponding economic growth. We  can change that with                                                                    
     a   long-term   fiscal   plan  for   the   state   that                                                                    
     incentivizes  such growth.  The Alaska  legislature has                                                                    
     the  opportunity  this session  to  pass  a package  of                                                                    
     bills and resolutions that will:                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
       Take the  permanent fund dividend payment  out of the                                                                    
     annual budget  process and require  the PFD to  be paid                                                                    
     by the formula in law,                                                                                                     
     •  Place a  limit on  government spending  in a  manner                                                                    
     that incentivizes economic growth,                                                                                         
     • Reform our state  government management and budgeting                                                                    
     practices, and                                                                                                             
     • Promote economic growth with  business tax cuts, make                                                                    
     carbon   credits    available   to    Alaska   resource                                                                    
     developers,  streamline   regulations,  make  obtaining                                                                    
     licenses easier.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     As part of  a package of bills that  includes all these                                                                    
     structural  reforms,  we  can  institute  a  low  rate,                                                                    
     broad-based sales tax that will  bring a small share of                                                                    
     the  ensuing  economic   activity  to  government,  and                                                                    
     further  incentivize  legislators  to  pursue  economic                                                                    
     growth.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     HB142 imposes a two-cent tax  on all sales of goods and                                                                    
     services   purchased   in   Alaska   and   allows   the                                                                    
     legislature  to  share half  of  the  tax revenue  with                                                                    
     certain  municipalities  that  meet  certain  criteria,                                                                    
     including low property taxes.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     According to the Tax  Foundation, forty-five states and                                                                    
     the  District  of   Columbia  collect  statewide  sales                                                                    
     taxes. Local  sales taxes are  collected in  38 states.                                                                    
     In  some cases,  they can  rival or  even exceed  state                                                                    
     rates.  The  five  states   with  the  highest  average                                                                    
     combined state and local sales  tax rates are Louisiana                                                                    
     (9.550  percent), Tennessee  (9.548 percent),  Arkansas                                                                    
     (9.46  percent), Alabama  (9.25 percent),  and Oklahoma                                                                    
     (8.98 percent).  Sales tax rates  differ by  state, but                                                                    
     sales  tax  bases  also  impact  how  much  revenue  is                                                                    
     collected  from  a tax  and  how  the tax  affects  the                                                                    
     economy.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     HB142 is designed after the  South Dakota system as the                                                                    
     broadest-based tax  in the nation.  Broad-based systems                                                                    
     keep rates  low, keep compliance simple,  and create as                                                                    
     few economic  distortions as  possible. Except  for the                                                                    
     five  states  that  have  no   sales  tax,  a  two-cent                                                                    
     statewide sales tax would  maintain Alaska's ranking as                                                                    
     the lowest  state and locally  combined sales  tax rate                                                                    
     in the nation.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
7:04:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CARPENTER,  in response to  a question  from Representative                                                               
McKay  as to  whether the  sponsor statement  should state  "two-                                                               
cent," said that a two percent  tax would be literally a two-cent                                                               
per dollar tax.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
7:05:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KENDRA  BROUSSARD, Staff,  Representative  Ben Carpenter,  Alaska                                                               
State Legislature,  on behalf of Representative  Carpenter, prime                                                               
sponsor, provided the  sectional analysis of HB  142 [included in                                                               
the   committee  packet],   which  read   as  follows   [original                                                               
punctuation provided]:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Section 1                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     HB 142 amends  AS 28.10.021 to add sales  and use taxes                                                                    
     for vehicles.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 2                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     HB  142  amends  AS  43.05.240 (a)  to  add  sales  tax                                                                    
     collectors  to  those who  may  file  for grievance  if                                                                    
     their seller's  permit or resale  exemption certificate                                                                    
     is revoked.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Section 3                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     AS 43 is  amended by adding a new  chapter to institute                                                                    
     a statewide sales  tax of two percent of  sale or lease                                                                    
     of tangible property or services  and a two percent use                                                                    
     tax  on  tangible personal  property.  The  use tax  is                                                                    
     applied to tangible  personal property acquired outside                                                                    
     of Alaska  as the  result of  a transaction  that would                                                                    
     have been subject  to the sales tax if  it had occurred                                                                    
     in  Alaska. The  use tax  is also  applied to  tangible                                                                    
     personal  property that  has been  converted  to a  use                                                                    
     that is  subject to  tax. The  use tax  is additionally                                                                    
     applied to services in Alaska  that would be subject to                                                                    
     a  sales  tax  if   purchased  in  this  state  (remote                                                                    
     purchases).                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     HB 142 provides  exemptions to the sales  tax for sales                                                                    
     that  are  exempt  by  federal  law  26  USC  (Internal                                                                    
     Revenue  Code):  government,  tax-exempt  corporations,                                                                    
     employee wages,  interest on loans and  deposits, stock                                                                    
     dividends,    financial   services    fees,   insurance                                                                    
     premiums,   personal  uses   of  property   or  between                                                                    
     business partners, the sale,  lease, or construction of                                                                    
     real property.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     HB  142 provides  tax credits  for sales  or use  taxes                                                                    
     paid to another state.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     HB  142  requires  businesses  to  acquire  a  seller's                                                                    
     permit before doing business in Alaska.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     HB 142 exempts resales from taxation.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     HB 142 allows  the department of revenue  to suspend or                                                                    
     revoke a  seller's permit if  the person who  holds the                                                                    
     permit  fails to  comply with  the  provisions of  this                                                                    
     law.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     HB 142 requires the department  of revenue to enter the                                                                    
     Streamlines Sales and Use  Tax Agreement, a multi-state                                                                    
     agreement for processing of cross-state transactions.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     HB 142  allows for  a municipal share.  The legislature                                                                    
     may appropriate  half the  revenue collected  from this                                                                    
     tax to  municipalities. A  municipality may  receive an                                                                    
     appropriation  under this  section if  the municipality                                                                    
     does not collect either:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     o Property taxes in excess of ten mills; or                                                                                
     o  An  oil  and  gas production  tax  or  gas  pipeline                                                                    
     property tax.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 4                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Contains conforming language.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Section 5                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Provides for  a transition  to allow the  department of                                                                    
     revenue to  adopt regulations under  the Administrative                                                                    
     Procedures Act.                                                                                                            
     Allows  for services  contracted  before the  effective                                                                    
     date of the tax to be exempt from the tax.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Allows for persons to apply  for a seller's permit or a                                                                    
     resale permit before the effective date of this act.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Section 6                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Provides an immediate effective date for Section 5.                                                                        
     Section 7                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Provides an  effective date for  the remainder  of this                                                                    
     act of January 1, 2025.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:08:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CARPENTER expressed  the understanding  of the  gravity of                                                               
putting forward a bill instituting a  sales tax.  He advised that                                                               
in  order to  move  the state  forward in  the  direction of  pro                                                               
economic  growth  in the  non-oil,  private  sector economy,  the                                                               
state would  need to  start moving  in this  direction.   He said                                                               
that, as a  compromise, he is presenting HB 142  as an option for                                                               
a  broad-based  revenue  source,  tying  the  legislative  budget                                                               
decisions  to economic  activity in  the state.   He  argued that                                                               
people in the state work in  the private sector economy, and this                                                               
is critical to why  Alaskans want to be in the state.   He said a                                                               
sales  tax,  or  broad-based  tax,  which  ties  the  economy  to                                                               
government spending  is important.   He stressed  that HB  142 is                                                               
not the  only item being  presented, rather, it is  one component                                                               
of a policy package intended  to have a positive economic benefit                                                               
to the state.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:11:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY  raised  the  concern of  higher  costs  for                                                               
expenses, like  groceries, in rural  Alaska.  He stated  that the                                                               
average price  of milk in Anchorage  is $4.20, while it  is $8.80                                                               
in Bethel; therefore,  he deduced that if people  in rural Alaska                                                               
are paying  twice as much for  groceries, the tax would  be twice                                                               
as  much.    He  expressed  the  understanding  that,  under  the                                                               
proposed tax  program, those who  can least afford the  tax would                                                               
be the ones paying most of it.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:12:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MCKAY advised  Representative Gray  that the  tax                                                               
would  have  to  be  based  on  population.    He  expressed  the                                                               
understanding that most people live  on the Railbelt, while about                                                               
a quarter  of the population  live in rural areas.   Furthermore,                                                               
he  illustrated  an  example  where 75  percent  of  the  state's                                                               
population live in  the $4.50 per gallon of milk  region while 25                                                               
percent live in the $16 per gallon of milk region.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY,  interjected, expressing the belief  that it                                                               
is unfair for people in Bethel to pay more.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:13:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  MCCABE, referring to  the comment that the  tax would                                                               
not  be  fair  for  rural  populations,  questioned  whether  the                                                               
concern is that the revenue generated would be less.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRAY  clarified  that rural  residents  would  be                                                               
paying  a  disproportionately  high  amount of  tax  compared  to                                                               
Anchorage residents.   He asked  if there  is a way  to implement                                                               
the  program without  rural  Alaskans  paying a  disproportionate                                                               
amount of the tax.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:14:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CARPENTER  suggested that the legislature  investigate ways                                                               
to reduce  the cost  of a  gallon of  milk in  rural Alaska.   He                                                               
suggested that modernizing transportation  in the region would be                                                               
a better solution.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRAY concurred.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CARPENTER  said, "If there  is a will  there's a way."   He                                                               
suggested  that  the  only  way  would be  to  grow  the  state's                                                               
economy,  as solutions  to big  problems  do not  come without  a                                                               
growing economy.  He advised that  a two-cent tax on an $8 gallon                                                               
of milk would  be 16 cents.  He explained  that if municipalities                                                               
can share  in the state  revenue, then  a portion of  the state's                                                               
tax would be  distributed to these municipalities.   He suggested                                                               
that this could somewhat alleviate the higher cost of goods.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:16:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH  inquired about the emphasis  on boosting the                                                               
economy  and  pointed out  that  HB  142  would  apply a  tax  on                                                               
commerce.  He  recounted an article regarding  the complexity and                                                               
resource-heavy  process,   and  how   this  would   impact  small                                                               
businesses.   He  asked if  Representative  Carpenter shared  his                                                               
concern that a sales tax would burden Alaska's small businesses.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CARPENTER  responded that a  business collecting  sales tax                                                               
and passing  the tax onto  the consumer  would not be  a business                                                               
paying  the tax,  rather the  consumer would  be paying  it.   He                                                               
argued that  regardless of  whether the policy  is income  tax or                                                               
sales tax, the cost would be passed on to the consumer.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH  commented about  the compliance  cost, which                                                               
he  said  is  the  actual  cost of  collecting  the  taxes.    He                                                               
acknowledged that  a few cities  in the state collect  sales tax,                                                               
but his  community of  Anchorage has  never had such  a tax.   He                                                               
asked Chair  Carpenter if  he would seek  a sales  tax compliance                                                               
exemption for small and local businesses.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CARPENTER   pointed  out   that  Anchorage   is  currently                                                               
struggling with  finances.  He  said the  concept of a  sales tax                                                               
that  works   in  partnership  with   small  businesses   is  not                                                               
unattainable; it is a cost of doing  business.  He said he is not                                                               
concerned about the business community  being able to figure this                                                               
out  since  larger  corporations,  for example,  can  figure  out                                                               
larger and more complex corporate income  taxes.  He said, if the                                                               
state were going down the  path to eliminating the permanent fund                                                               
dividend as a way to  continue funding state services, this would                                                               
hurt small  businesses more than  the compliance cost of  a sales                                                               
tax.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH suggested that an  alternative to a sales tax                                                               
would be  a high-earner tax.   He relayed that, according  to the                                                               
federal  reserve, the  median household  income is  $81,000.   He                                                               
asked how much  an average household is expected  to pay annually                                                               
in sales taxes.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CARPENTER expressed uncertainty  and stated he would follow                                                               
up to the committee.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GROH  asked if  each household  would get  a sales                                                               
tax return  showing how  much it paid  in sales  taxes throughout                                                               
the year.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CARPENTER expressed uncertainty.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:20:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ALLARD commented  that,  although Anchorage  does                                                               
not have sales tax, there is a 10-cent per gallon tax on fuel.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
7:20:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR MCCABE said there are  many cities in Alaska that have                                                               
a sales tax,  including Wasilla.  For example, if  the city needs                                                               
to construct a new library, the  city could put a question to the                                                               
voters as to whether they approve  an increase in sales taxes for                                                               
a set  period of  time.   Furthermore, he  said Wasilla  has zero                                                               
debt, explaining  that, despite  not having outside  traffic with                                                               
tourists,  for example,  the sales  tax  in the  city would  work                                                               
"fabulously."    He expressed  the  understanding  from the  data                                                               
presented from  the fiscal  policy working  group, there  are not                                                               
enough high earners in Alaska to  satisfy the amount of money the                                                               
state needs;  therefore, as regressive  as it may seem,  the only                                                               
possibility  is a  broad-based  sales  tax.   He  asked if  Chair                                                               
Carpenter agrees with this statement.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CARPENTER answered  that he  has spent  time looking  at a                                                               
sales tax and  does not prefer an income tax.   He commented that                                                               
states with  income taxes, or  progressive income taxes,  are not                                                               
as  competitive as  states which  have sales  taxes.   He advised                                                               
that  if the  committee  is going  to make  a  good decision,  it                                                               
should have a conversation comparing the two types of taxes.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:22:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GROH referred  to  a study  by  the Institute  of                                                               
Social  and  Economic  Research   at  the  University  of  Alaska                                                               
Anchorage, which  showed that  more than  70 percent  of Alaskans                                                               
would do  better and pay  less under an  income tax over  a sales                                                               
tax.   Furthermore,  he  suggested that  if  the legislature  had                                                               
passed  an income  tax  in  2017, $700  million  would have  been                                                               
generated.    He  questioned  whether  these  factors  have  been                                                               
considered  in the  decision of  a  sales tax,  which focuses  on                                                               
nonresidents,  versus  an  income  tax,  which  focuses  on  high                                                               
earners.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  CARPENTER expressed  uncertainty  concerning the  options.                                                               
He said that  the only thing before the committee  right now is a                                                               
sales  tax; however,  he suggested  that  it is  more likely  the                                                               
permanent fund dividend will be  taxed instead, and this would be                                                               
the  most regressive  tax.   He  said that,  if  the options  are                                                               
either the most  regressive tax or a less regressive  tax, and he                                                               
has political agreement to "pass  the lesser of those two evils,"                                                               
then he would suggest passing the sales tax.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:24:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR MCCABE announced that HB 142 was held over.                                                                          

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